mathias svalina talks about a poem. one thing he says is:
I wanted it to be in a rhetoric of "honesty," which doesn’t really have anything to do with "honesty" in the sense of telling the truth, but more like "honesty" in the sense of paving the streets when they need to be paved.
you can buy his new book by clicking on a 12. you should. it has a beautiful hypnotic cover.